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RamboHack wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:48 pm
Bad news... found new wild feed @ Eutelsat 113 West Tp: 3984 H 7500 Id: Top Rank

20 minutes, and nothing :?

Ask some friends who also have v8uhd and v8x, and all them nothing too, no CW, just the sign "AUTOBISS: CALCULATING"

Some friend gave me the correct CW key for this feed, but i dont want that, i want my v8UHD works with the Autobiss function itself.

I also change manually the tp, to 3985 H 7500, to see if this works, and also, 10 minutes on screen and nothing, no cw, just the Autobiss: calculating sign :(
Mismo intento y nada. Conecting failed! despues de 50 minutos con mi v8x

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Just so you guys understand a little more about Biss let me give you couple of details. There are two types of biss encryptions that I know of, to keep it simple the OLD BISS and the NEW BISS. The OLD BISS uses a 'filling code' called a Crypto8 and this is used to fill in blank periods in the data transmission. These Crypto8's (C8s) are what are used to find the Control Word. The NEW BISS does not use C8s so like the new PowerVue there is no solution so far.

Regular biss channels will send the C8s continuously so the autobiss will have no problem with them, wildfeeds are different... if they are using the OLD BISS system then they normally send the C8s while they are setting up... maybe one or two hours... then they stop sending them. So if you come across a wildfeed late in the program there will not be any C8s.

I can normally extract a Control Word in 15 minutes if the C8 is in the stream, if not I am SOL. I just recorded the TS stream of 3984H7500 and I can confirm there are no C8s at the moment, so autobiss will not work. I hope this explains some of the problems with the system.
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Re: AutoBiss Howto

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juan_vale wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:25 am
Just so you guys understand a little more about Biss let me give you couple of details. There are two types of biss encryptions that I know of, to keep it simple the OLD BISS and the NEW BISS. The OLD BISS uses a 'filling code' called a Crypto8 and this is used to fill in blank periods in the data transmission. These Crypto8's (C8s) are what are used to find the Control Word. The NEW BISS does not use C8s so like the new PowerVue there is no solution so far.

Regular biss channels will send the C8s continuously so the autobiss will have no problem with them, wildfeeds are different... if they are using the OLD BISS system then they normally send the C8s while they are setting up... maybe one or two hours... then they stop sending them. So if you come across a wildfeed late in the program there will not be any C8s.

I can normally extract a Control Word in 15 minutes if the C8 is in the stream, if not I am SOL. I just recorded the TS stream of 3984H7500 and I can confirm there are no C8s at the moment, so autobiss will not work. I hope this explains some of the problems with the system.
Thank you very much.
That is what I wanted to say, we need to start the calculation at some special time.
That is very important. But we need more experiment to find the rule.
Of course, we need to work together to solve the problem.

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Re: AutoBiss Howto

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I Have 2 Gtmedia V8X ..
But This machine is No Biss Autoroll ... Just Like Normal Machine plus Mask ..
Very Very Disappointed It
I have also XXXX ...
Same Channel With XXXX - Open Just 5Sec..
But V8X .. Only Calculation Message and No Any Happen ..
Please .. V8X Is Not Autoroll Biss Machine .. Just Say IT

EDIT: OK, you can say the production of GTMedia are not good.
There are a lot of things to improve. There always are.
But please don't post the name of our competitor's box.
If you want please PM me, it's welcome.
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Re: AutoBiss Howto

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hisakatano wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:08 am
I Have 2 Gtmedia V8X ..
But This machine is No Biss Autoroll ... Just Like Normal Machine plus Mask ..
Very Very Disappointed It
I have also XXXX 8 ...
Same Channel With XXXX - Open Just 5Sec..
But V8X .. Only Calculation Message and No Any Happen ..
Please .. V8X Is Not Autoroll Biss Machine .. Just Say IT
Sorry for that.
Please post the longitude/frequency/sid, and I will check it for you.

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One of the problems with the Biss wild feeds is the data used to find the Control Words is normally only sent in the first few hours of the transmission. Once that data is removed from the stream then non of my programs will find the CW. So we have to get in early. Some of you, from experience, know more or less where the transmissions are located, if you find one please let others know, and if I can receive it I will try to verify if it is sending the required data. In other words if I can extract the CW then the V8x should be able to do the same. So this weekend I will be checking this post to see if anyone has found a wild feed and posted here where it is located. My location gives me reasonable coverage from 135w to 58w, most of the feeds are in the middle of that arc.

If anyone is interested and would like to see if the data coming down is what we need, then make a two minute TS recording using a V7 or a V8 (all of them can do it) and I will explain how to verify the data. We will do this by PM, if you want to practice, make a recording of a biss signal and let me know you have it. I will send you what you need, I don't need you to send me the recording. That way in 5 minutes you will know if the V8x should produce the key.
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juan_vale wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:42 am
One of the problems with the Biss wild feeds is the data used to find the Control Words is normally only sent in the first few hours of the transmission. Once that data is removed from the stream then non of my programs will find the CW. So we have to get in early. Some of you, from experience, know more or less where the transmissions are located, if you find one please let others know, and if I can receive it I will try to verify if it is sending the required data. In other words if I can extract the CW then the V8x should be able to do the same. So this weekend I will be checking this post to see if anyone has found a wild feed and posted here where it is located. My location gives me reasonable coverage from 135w to 58w, most of the feeds are in the middle of that arc.

If anyone is interested and would like to see if the data coming down is what we need, then make a two minute TS recording using a V7 or a V8 (all of them can do it) and I will explain how to verify the data. We will do this by PM, if you want to practice, make a recording of a biss signal and let me know you have it. I will send you what you need, I don't need you to send me the recording. That way in 5 minutes you will know if the V8x should produce the key.
Yes, Sir,
I also need these valuable data to improve the algorithm of recognizing the seed.
So, let's do this.

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Re: AutoBiss Howto

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espaun206 wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:59 am
Today there was a wild feed on 113w Nascar and the V8 couldn't find the key.


the key was one that had been used previously
Was you able to verify it was sending C8s and not being opened by the V8x ???
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you didnt answer my question... was it sending C8s... I know you know how to get them from the stream
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espaun206 wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:12 am
juan_vale wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:07 am
espaun206 wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:59 am
Today there was a wild feed on 113w Nascar and the V8 couldn't find the key.


the key was one that had been used previously
Was you able to verify it was sending C8s and not being opened by the V8x ???
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I just left it on that channel and it never opened, the same thing happened to someone else it never opened
Sorry, the autobiss doesn't work in this way.
For now, you need to start the calculation to caputure the seed.
Can't just stay in the channel.

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espaun206 wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:13 am
never gave a message from SEED UPLOADED
thats the message you are not going to see if there are no c8s in the stream. Now if you can confirm there were c8s and the box did nothing, then there is a problem
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juan_vale wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:21 am
espaun206 wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:13 am
never gave a message from SEED UPLOADED
thats the message you are not going to see if there are no c8s in the stream. Now if you can confirm there were c8s and the box did nothing, then there is a problem
That's correct.
I see some CW post of wild feeds.
Usually come with a color bar picture, maybe they get the seed when the content of program is color bar.

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espaun206 wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:31 am
juan_vale wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:21 am
espaun206 wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:13 am
never gave a message from SEED UPLOADED
thats the message you are not going to see if there are no c8s in the stream. Now if you can confirm there were c8s and the box did nothing, then there is a problem
I can not confirm, since when I put the channel, I had been transmitting for a while

but I think maybe someone else with a v8x or v8 uhd if they noticed this feed in the first few minutes, where the C8 is broadcast
We don't have enough user have AutoBiss box, so we need to caputure the seeds by ourself.
But when more and more people have AutoBiss box, the seed will be found easily.
Even you don't have the chance to start the calculation.

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My observations: AutoBiss works when the server has a key (when connecting the network, if there is no network, the channel will not work). If you don't have the key, you can stay on the channel for a week and the channel won't open. All working keys when the channel opens are saved in MG Biss (checked) can be saved to USB.
PS. AutoBiss for the lazy. Who doesn't want to search for the key on the Internet. All key changes can be found on the Internet. I currently use Softcam. key, where all the keys that interest me are located (you do not need to connect to the network and channels open quickly).
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kladovchk wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:56 am
My observations: AutoBiss works when the server has a key (when connecting the network, if there is no network, the channel will not work). If you don't have the key, you can stay on the channel for a week and the channel won't open. All working keys when the channel opens are saved in MG Biss (checked) can be saved to USB.
PS. AutoBiss for the lazy. Who doesn't want to search for the key on the Internet. All key changes can be found on the Internet. I currently use Softcam. key, where all the keys that interest me are located (you do not need to connect to the network and channels open quickly).
Yes, you can do it like that.
But the most interesting thing is you can find the keys that no one knows by AutoBiss.

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Eutelsat 7A/B ( 7.0°E )

12735 V 7200
DVB-S2 - 4:2:0 - 8PSK
ID: UFC PPV PATH A PRI
Event: UFC 251 - TEST FEED FOR TOMORROW

Someone already found the key,
But I can't see the key on server.
Can anybody test it?
Thank you.

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@alex.c

"Autobiss: calculating ! Pleae wait..."
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Insert manually
alex.c wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:41 pm
Eutelsat 7A/B ( 7.0°E )

12735 V 7200
DVB-S2 - 4:2:0 - 8PSK
ID: UFC PPV PATH A PRI
Event: UFC 251 - TEST FEED FOR TOMORROW

Someone already found the key,
But I can't see the key on server.
Can anybody test it?
Thank you.
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Delirium wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:04 pm
Insert manually
alex.c wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:41 pm
Eutelsat 7A/B ( 7.0°E )

12735 V 7200
DVB-S2 - 4:2:0 - 8PSK
ID: UFC PPV PATH A PRI
Event: UFC 251 - TEST FEED FOR TOMORROW

Someone already found the key,
But I can't see the key on server.
Can anybody test it?
Thank you.
What's the video content now? color bar?

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@alex.c

I confirm, but not only: there are also studio images
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100.5E
4:2:0
3895V7200
ID:IMG ASIA 2
UFC 251 (EVENT TOMORROW)

Oh, the same channel, I can see the same key on server.
Someone worked it out using our box 3 hours ago. :D

But he scaned the channel on wrong longitude 0.
So only he got the key.
The other users can't get this key unless using longitude 0. :(

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Delirium wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:09 pm
@alex.c

I confirm, but not only: there are also studio images
This feed was worked out 3 hours ago.
Maybe now it's late.

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It seems that the event is tomorrow ;)
(UFC Fight Island)

alex.c wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:15 pm
Delirium wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:09 pm
@alex.c

I confirm, but not only: there are also studio images
This feed was worked out 3 hours ago.
Maybe now it's late.
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Delirium wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:24 pm
It seems that the event is tomorrow ;)
(UFC Fight Island)

alex.c wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:15 pm
Delirium wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:09 pm
@alex.c

I confirm, but not only: there are also studio images
This feed was worked out 3 hours ago.
Maybe now it's late.
Yeah, but the moment to capture the seed was gone.
Now I have some feelings, maybe we can only get the keys of wild feeds when the video content is color bar.

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