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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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ZOO wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:58 pm
This is a misleading thread. It really needs to be cleaned up. GTMedia should step in so guys dont buy this Combo receiver thinking it will do 4:2:2 right out of the box.The hardware does not support 4:2:2.It would be nice if Delirium quits posting this as to misinform people in thinking this receiver does 4:2:2..
I too have a GTCombo and yes it does 4.2.2
They have installed a second media player that you can select to open and view 4.2.2 feeds on your TV from the GTCombo box.
It is that second media player that has made this work, so yes the hardware now does support 4.2.2

Here are some posted pictures of this player change

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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Owen
Who is "they"? Someone on the GTMedia team or a 3rd party? Can we expect support for this from GTMedia?

What is the model # of the cpu?

Does it work with hevc 4:2:2?

Since the decoding is done in "software" mode, what is the max bitrate of a 4:2:2 h264 AND hevc that cpu is capable of decoding?

Can anyone post the cpu usage while decoding a 4:2:2 feed, please also include the compression (h264 or hevc) and also the bitrate?

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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merkin wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:27 pm
Owen
Who is "they"? Someone on the GTMedia team or a 3rd party? Can we expect support for this from GTMedia?

What is the model # of the cpu?

Does it work with hevc 4:2:2?

Since the decoding is done in "software" mode, what is the max bitrate of a 4:2:2 h264 AND hevc that cpu is capable of decoding?

Can anyone post the cpu usage while decoding a 4:2:2 feed, please also include the compression (h264 or hevc) and also the bitrate?
That is a lot of requested data.

I just watch this stuff so I don't know and the info screens do not say.

Someone will know, maybe "they" do.

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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Will it get the ABC master feeds on 99 west that are 4:2:2?

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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Feralkiwi wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:45 pm
merkin wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:27 pm
Owen
Who is "they"? Someone on the GTMedia team or a 3rd party? Can we expect support for this from GTMedia?

What is the model # of the cpu?

Does it work with hevc 4:2:2?

Since the decoding is done in "software" mode, what is the max bitrate of a 4:2:2 h264 AND hevc that cpu is capable of decoding?

Can anyone post the cpu usage while decoding a 4:2:2 feed, please also include the compression (h264 or hevc) and also the bitrate?
That is a lot of requested data.

I just watch this stuff so I don't know and the info screens do not say.

Someone will know, maybe "they" do.

Owen
These are very good questions merkin has raised.

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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I was hoping the CBS feeds can be decoded as well.I guess we will wait and see?

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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merkin wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:27 pm
Owen
Who is "they"? Someone on the GTMedia team or a 3rd party? Can we expect support for this from GTMedia?

What is the model # of the cpu?

Does it work with hevc 4:2:2?

Since the decoding is done in "software" mode, what is the max bitrate of a 4:2:2 h264 AND hevc that cpu is capable of decoding?

Can anyone post the cpu usage while decoding a 4:2:2 feed, please also include the compression (h264 or hevc) and also the bitrate?


Yesterday I found 2 feeds HEVC - UHD, probably in 4:2:2.
Unfortunately they were scrambled, so I couldn't see them.
I'll try again ;)

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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this gtmedia combo makes autoroll biss?

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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daao10 wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:40 pm
this gtmedia combo makes autoroll biss?
Yes
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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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Delirium wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:58 am
merkin wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:27 pm
Owen
Who is "they"? Someone on the GTMedia team or a 3rd party? Can we expect support for this from GTMedia?

What is the model # of the cpu?

Does it work with hevc 4:2:2?

Since the decoding is done in "software" mode, what is the max bitrate of a 4:2:2 h264 AND hevc that cpu is capable of decoding?

Can anyone post the cpu usage while decoding a 4:2:2 feed, please also include the compression (h264 or hevc) and also the bitrate?


Yesterday I found 2 feeds HEVC - UHD, probably in 4:2:2.
Unfortunately they were scrambled, so I couldn't see them.
I'll try again ;)

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Why not opened by GT combo autoroll??!!!!!!

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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dratmersh wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:37 pm
Why not opened by GT combo autoroll??!!!!!!
If you look at the picture of the channels, they are not flagged as encrypted.
My GTCombo has autorolled channels, but this weekend rolls were slow. I think there is high demand on the server.

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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Feralkiwi wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:10 pm
dratmersh wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:37 pm
Why not opened by GT combo autoroll??!!!!!!
If you look at the picture of the channels, they are not flagged as encrypted.
My GTCombo has autorolled channels, but this weekend rolls were slow. I think there is high demand on the server.

Owen
Ok....
Regarding 422 channel who is the video quality??? Does it look slow??? Or looks normal???

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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On most of the feeds I get on TP's with SR of 7500 or 7200, Yes all is very good, just like other feed types.
My local area has new 422 feeds with a SR of 15000. These just started a few weeks back.
The unit opens these, but with my TV it is jumpy.
GT Media played a TP recording I sent them and it played as normal.
I have asked if this feed is 4k and as my TV is 1080i it will not show it. Maybe their TV is 4k.
As far as I can find the GTCombo has no user output setting so you can match your TV. It seems to output PAL only, but to what top resolution?
I have asked about that too, as all other units have that setting and that would fix the jumpy feed if it is 4k.

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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Ahh I see. This is a first I have seen having the player installed as to streaming to a computer. Thanks delirium and others. I`ll be ordering one of these.

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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? for delirium. feed wwe is up here this side of the pond and its a fairly lo bitrarte feed.21-22 mbps. I am curious what the bitrate you are seeing with the feed on your side of the pond?. Do you have a computer set up to check this?. Thanks for the input.

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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Feralkiwi wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:10 pm
dratmersh wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:37 pm
Why not opened by GT combo autoroll??!!!!!!
If you look at the picture of the channels, they are not flagged as encrypted.
My GTCombo has autorolled channels, but this weekend rolls were slow. I think there is high demand on the server.

Owen
Just because channel is not flagged as encrypted in the channel list does not mean the channel is not encrypted.
Sometimes the encoders do not correctly set the encryption flag in the PMT.

This is a BIG problem with BISS autoroll. The developers of GTMedia should change this behavoir in the software. Instead of checking PMT, they should check the TS header for the scrambling bits. And enable BISS autoroll based on the status of the scrambling bits in the TS header field.

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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merkin wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:06 pm
Just because channel is not flagged as encrypted in the channel list does not mean the channel is not encrypted.
Sometimes the encoders do not correctly set the encryption flag in the PMT.

This is a BIG problem with BISS autoroll. The developers of GTMedia should change this behavoir in the software. Instead of checking PMT, they should check the TS header for the scrambling bits. And enable BISS autoroll based on the status of the scrambling bits in the TS header field.
Yes there is a channel on Intelsat19@166e that always scans in a FTA but is said to be powervu.

With your expretise on TP headers, do you know what sort of TP this is?
Optus D1@160e 12421V24671.
I find this data info in the TP record file.
This TP will only scan in and be "Seen" on my UHD, all other units do not show any signal.
The UHD shows two TP lines in the TP menu, one with T1 and the other with T17.
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Owen
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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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Feralkiwi wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:58 am
On most of the feeds I get on TP's with SR of 7500 or 7200, Yes all is very good, just like other feed types.
My local area has new 422 feeds with a SR of 15000. These just started a few weeks back.
The unit opens these, but with my TV it is jumpy.
GT Media played a TP recording I sent them and it played as normal.
I have asked if this feed is 4k and as my TV is 1080i it will not show it. Maybe their TV is 4k.
As far as I can find the GTCombo has no user output setting so you can match your TV. It seems to output PAL only, but to what top resolution?
I have asked about that too, as all other units have that setting and that would fix the jumpy feed if it is 4k.

Owen
Thanks dear.. I ordered this receiver waiting till receive and test it...
I want to know in case autoroll function is not working.. Is it available to add the key manually if you have it??!!

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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It loaded my softcam.key file with one of the test version I got.
There is a window for entry yes.

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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@All

Here we are OT ;)
This thread is dedicated only to feeds in 4: 2: 2 and in biss.

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However...

@ZOO
I have a PC but just a little time.
Actually watching different feeds has slowed down, I don't know if it will be possible to speed it up.

@merkin
I had tried to see HEVC feeds even with a PC card: they were scrambled.
Autobiss roll works well with GTCombo in at least 80% of cases.
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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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Can you take a video with your cell phone?

Is there any freezing or lagging in broadcasts?

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only pictures are not enough add a 4: 2: 2 stream camera view.

no answer
I am waiting

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As we know, not all 4:2:2 feeds can be decoded well.
This software solution can only play part of them smoothly.

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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Feralkiwi wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:58 am
As far as I can find the GTCombo has no user output setting so you can match your TV. It seems to output PAL only, but to what top resolution?
I have asked about that too, as all other units have that setting and that would fix the jumpy feed if it is 4k.

Owen
1st off Thanks for this topic the 422 with the GTCombo looks to be very interesting an will be getting one soon.

Owen, PAL only, what about the users in N. America where we have NTSC here this is something that's needs to be addressed by the GTMedia team, I do have a high end 4K TV here an it does play PAL but not right, or is the GTCombo only meant for Europe?

also I do not see any firmware for this receiver or section is this something that is done online?

also here ABC an CBS both are 422 mpeg-4 so I have been really watching this tread to find out how they will play on ure new Combo, if they play fine an smooth I will order some up asp

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Re: 4:2:2 Biss Wild Feeds

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Here is a short video in 4:2:2
As has been said, not all are the same and others can be slowed down more.
The link will only be valid for a few days

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